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Farewell David!

October 29th, 2008 (10:53 pm)

Typical! I'm out of internet contact for a few hours, and this happens.

"WHO will he be next?" as the Brigadier said on the blurb of Doctor Who and the Planet of the Spiders...

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Posted by: CS2 (cs2)
Posted at: October 29th, 2008 11:12 pm (UTC)

Nooooooooo!!!

I'd just started to like him!

Alas!

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 29th, 2008 11:32 pm (UTC)
regeneration

Just watching David's farwell statement on BBC News - his name caption reads "DAVID TENNANT/Soon to be former Dr Who". The BBC aren't making that much of it at the moment - they have other fish to fry (though one of the fish has immolated himself voluntarily).

Posted by: calliope85 (calliope85)
Posted at: October 29th, 2008 11:23 pm (UTC)
8th doctor

I'm praying for Paterson Joseph, and have been for several months ^_^ Sadly, I want it to happen so much that it's clear it won't :(

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 29th, 2008 11:25 pm (UTC)

But Joseph's name has been top of the list on the eleventh Doctor forum frequented by the Upper Boat leakers in the last few weeks, so you never know...

Posted by: tigerfort (tigerfort)
Posted at: October 29th, 2008 11:24 pm (UTC)

There's also an interview with David Tennant about it here (video and transcript).

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 29th, 2008 11:36 pm (UTC)
DavidIcon

It's a well-prepared exit announcement, isn't it? Better than last time; and better to make the news official under the cover of the Brand/Ross crisis than have the departure take more attention than is wanted. Casting is probably under way for the eleventh Doctor, and secrecy was going to be difficult to maintain, though they'll probably try to keep it secret until the new Doctor is ready to record the regeneration in the spring.

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Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 29th, 2008 11:50 pm (UTC)

I wasn't all that surprised, and while I had been leaning towards him doing the 2010 series, the likelihood that he'd do a New York run of Hamlet in the spring made it less and less likely that he'd go back to do the 2010 series (and I didn't expect him to do another after that). Even so, doing 2010 would have been an odd career step in a way the specials aren't.

Tennant's used the estuary chappie manner in other things - Casanova for one; but I didn't know about his appearance in Foyle's War. (Eccleston's persona as the Doctor owed a lot to The Second Coming, it appeared to me.)

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Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 01:44 pm (UTC)

I've seen The Revenger's Tragedy too, and had forgotten that - the characterisation there is a bit harder than the ninth Doctor, but there's definitely a debt being paid there.

Posted by: Virgers! How are we doing with those explosives? (tree_and_leaf)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 12:56 am (UTC)

Sigh. Though I still wish he'd done it in his own accent,rather than the faux estuary voice (yes, I'm bitter, and no, I probably won't ever get over it entirely...)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 01:49 am (UTC)

Isn't a few minutes of Tooth and Claw enough for you? Dear me, they'll want him to wear tartan and eat shortbread next... ;)

Seriously, there are lots of problems with the tenth Doctor, great though Tennant's performance has often been, which relate to that false accent. Another time, however...

Posted by: Virgers! How are we doing with those explosives? (tree_and_leaf)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 08:38 am (UTC)
Scots Soldiers (Icon of patriotic prejud

*looks shifty* I'm sure you don't want to know about my Hideous Shortbread-related Fantasies.....

Seriously, there are lots of problems with the tenth Doctor, great though Tennant's performance has often been, which relate to that false accent. Another time, however...

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the matter, though.

Posted by: azdak (azdak)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 05:25 am (UTC)

If he'd done it in his own accent, I'd have made more of an effort to watch the the show. Scottish accents are the biz!

Posted by: Virgers! How are we doing with those explosives? (tree_and_leaf)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 08:41 am (UTC)
Scots Soldiers (Icon of patriotic prejud

He's ever so much more likable in his own accent, and it's not like the Doctor hasn't sounded Scottish before....

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 01:48 pm (UTC)
Sylvester

"Loch!" as the seventh Doctor said in Dragonfire - though according to Andrew Cartmel's book Script Doctor, John Nathan-Turner persuaded Sylvester to soften his natural speaking voice for Sassenach ears. I don't think it's noticeable, though. Allegedly various Fox affiliates in the States received phone calls about "casting the man with the speech impediment" as 'the Old Doctor' for the TV Movie, though that may be residual Sylv-hating from conservative corners of fandom.

Posted by: Virgers! How are we doing with those explosives? (tree_and_leaf)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 01:51 pm (UTC)

It's a fairly standard reasonably-educated south-east Scotland accent (the rhotic rs when exceited or speaking quickly is another give-away, as is the 'dark' l - which I also have).

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 02:13 pm (UTC)

I've never had any difficulty with it myself and was surprised to find that John Nathan-Turner did. Though given that this was JN-T I shouldn't necessarily have been surprised about anything!

Posted by: Sir Rosealot (sir_rosealot)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 07:36 am (UTC)
dance

*small voice* yay!

Posted by: Pellegrina (pellegrina)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 07:50 am (UTC)
stoat

*BIG VOICE* yay!!!

Why is there no DW in 2009, though?

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Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 01:52 pm (UTC)

The BBC wouldn't contract Steven Moffat and give Piers Wenger the BBC Wales Drama unit to run if they weren't going to make Doctor Who for 2010. There's no doubt that this is happening - Moffat is talking about it in interviews and at conventions.

The 2008/9 production pause seems to have been arranged before Tennant accepted the offer to do Hamlet - a slowdown of production at BBC Wales was pencilled in as far back as 2006 so that other BBC productions could have some money, it seems. The decision to make a series in 2010 with a new production team, rather than just continue to make specials or not make anything at all, was another step.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 01:56 pm (UTC)
DavidIcon

A former colleague was saying the same thing...

...and as I've said to zanda_myrande, it looks as though the production pause was planned back in 2006 for reasons of budgeting and internal politics, to allow some other BBC drama projects to have some money. David Tennant accepted the RSC offer once this had been decided.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 01:58 pm (UTC)
Argue mainly

Someone I met the other week (who is probably on LJ somewhere) was saying that she started out liking DT, then got into Who, saw the other Doctors, and decided that DT wasn't quite right for it...

Posted by: Sir Rosealot (sir_rosealot)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 03:27 pm (UTC)

I started out liking him- I remember looking forward to seeing him as the Doctor because he was so good in Casanova- but then went off him as he seemed to become more and more hammy.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 03:41 pm (UTC)
JamieZoe

The number of people who are saying this suggests that it is the right time for Tennant to move on.

Posted by: helflaed (helflaed)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 08:20 am (UTC)

My son's been saying this for ages- he's been getting the info from his eight year old friend. I thought he might do the next full series, but I'm not entirely surprised he's going.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 01:54 pm (UTC)
DavidIcon

Same here, really - perhaps a David Tennant working with Steven Moffat and Piers Wenger for a year would have been a ghost at the feast (and going back, Tom Baker was never entirely happy working with Graham Williams, having worked out his Doctor with Philip Hinchcliffe...)

Posted by: daniel_saunders (daniel_saunders)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 05:34 pm (UTC)
Doctor Who

Tom Baker was never entirely happy working with Graham Williams, having worked out his Doctor with Philip Hinchcliffe

Really? I'd never heard that before, although I knew they clashed over Tom's ad libs, which made me assume seasons 15 to 17 saw Tom closer to how he wanted to play the role.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 05:50 pm (UTC)

Graham Williams largely shut Tom Baker out from discussions about the character and the programme's direction, afaik; Philip Hinchcliffe's methods were more inclusive, involving the lead actor in discussions about the content of the season early on, for example, but like many other things (such as his early appointments of designers) this went against standard BBC practice.

Posted by: wellinghall (wellinghall)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 08:34 am (UTC)
Autumn

So who would you like it to be next?

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 02:17 pm (UTC)
Hartnell words

I don't have any thoughts on the matter, really; and at once I find two questions intermingled. Steven Moffat has stated that he thinks that the Doctor now will "always be around forty", and so there is the actor I'd cast with that in mind; but at the same time in an ideal world I wouldn't force the Doctor into that age bracket, and would be happier to look at older or younger actors.

Posted by: philmophlegm (philmophlegm)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 10:45 am (UTC)
I'vegotasportscar

I liked Paterson Joseph in Neverwhere all those years ago, and he's funny in Peep Show. But isn't he going to be in the Survivors remake? It would be odd to cast him as the Doctor if he was already in a new SF series.

I don't know David Morrisey at all. James Nesbitt might work (as long as he kept his Ulster accent). I'd prefer it not to be John Simm, just to avoid the plot device that would be necessary to turn the Doctor into a replica of the Master.

I presume that Joseph and Nesbitt are frequently mentioned names because they worked with Steven Moffatt on Jekyll. If you're going to do that, then why not Coupling? You could certainly imagine Jack Davenport as the Doctor, and maybe Ben Miles or even Richard Coyle.

If they wanted a south-east England accent, didn't Phil Daniels say he wanted the part? If that happens, I guarantee that someone will post on Youtube a video of scenes from Doctor Who set to the song 'Parklife'.

Posted by: Virgers! How are we doing with those explosives? (tree_and_leaf)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 01:52 pm (UTC)
Tardis

Ooh, Nesbitt could be interesting (I still want Bill Nighy, but it's clearly not going to happen)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 02:23 pm (UTC)
Hartnell words

I wonder whether Nighy was ever approached? Clayton Hickman named him as someone RTD had talked about on the Today programme back in 2003 (how long ago that all seems...) and we still don't know who else was seen for the ninth Doctor.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 02:21 pm (UTC)

I'd forgotten about Paterson Joseph being in Survivors. He's playing Greg Preston, though given that the new series will diverge from the old at various points that's no guarantee of character longevity...

I do think that a lot of people are expecting Moffat to follow RTD's precedent and cast actors whom he's worked with before. Not James Nesbitt, I think; I wasn't that impressed by Ben Miles in Lark Rise to Candleford, and wonder if Jack Davenport would be too close to Tennant. Richard Coyle, no, certainly not after Strange.

Posted by: philmophlegm (philmophlegm)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 04:00 pm (UTC)
cyberleader

Gina Bellman was in Jekyll after being in Coupling, so he has form for this.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 04:28 pm (UTC)

As do lots of people, I suppose, otherwise it would be impossible to make series like Comedy Connections.

It might be a good idea to look at Piers Wenger's connections too. His rise to executive producer status has been fairly swift - he was a freelance journalist at the start of the decade, and then became a script editor and rose through the ranks. The only programme which he produced and which I can recall off the top of my head is Ballet Shoes, with Emma Watson and Yasmin Paige.

Posted by: daniel_saunders (daniel_saunders)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 05:41 pm (UTC)
Doctor Who

A few thoughts:

1) I believe Russell Brand is looking for a new job (joke!).

2) I'm more impatient to find out the reason for the title The Next Doctor, which I had assumed was a typical Russell T Davies bluff.

3) I suppose an older, calmer Doctor is out of the question?

4) The timing is excellent - just when I'm about to start watching all three Tennant seasons. Perhaps a chance for me to reassess my least favourite Doctor.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 30th, 2008 05:52 pm (UTC)

1) It had better be a joke...

2) This could be taken literally - the next being to take on the by-name 'the Doctor', rather than the next incarnation. But you never know...

3) The next Doctor might be 38 and not 37. That's older for you... (also a joke)

4) I look forward to the reviews!

Posted by: romancinger (romancinger)
Posted at: October 31st, 2008 02:49 pm (UTC)
cooking

My twopence: I hadn't realised DT was disliked as the Doctor. I'm surprised. I've seen the entirety of Dr Who - from the very beginning! And my favourite (previous) Doctors are: Jon Pertwee, Peter Davison, Tom Baker, Sylveste McCoy. I have to confess that Hartnell, even though he set the standard as it were, is not one of my favourites. Tennant is up there at the top somewhere, higher than Baker.

I saw Sean Pertwee suggested as the next Doctor - but I don't know if that would work. James Nesbitt I like very much as an actor, but he seems quite wrong for the role to me. The others look OK. We shall see!

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: October 31st, 2008 03:43 pm (UTC)

I liked David Tennant in his first story, but throughout his first series he seemed to become more and more smug. This was partly a consequence of the decision to cast the relationship between Rose and the Doctor as a love story, and the awkwardness with which the revelation early in the season that the relationship was always on borrowed time was handled. I think that he improved once Billie Piper had left the series; there was a deliberate turning point early in his second series where he admitted in 'Gridlock' that the Doctor had been "too busy showing off" to get to know Martha.

I think Sean Pertwee's casting would suffer from being too much of a gimmick... but I expect the new production team to pull off the casting of someone unanticipated, but somehow right.