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Carols for Christmas

December 18th, 2008 (09:36 pm)

I successfully made it from the British Library to central Oxford in two hours, leaving at 5.15 and arriving at 7.15 - not bad for a weekday rush hour. The carol service at St Mary Magdalene was very good indeed - lots of fairly modern settings of mediaeval and early modern material for the excellent choir (at least one of whom knows who they are, shall we say...) I made sure I sat within sight of the Royal Martyr, though the meaning of High Church has changed since the time when that picture must have been put up, I think - though I'm not an Anglican. Still, my honorary mediaevalist side likes a bit of incense now and then. Good to see tree_and_leaf before her battle with the rail network, nineveh_uk, and meet white_hart for the first time.

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Posted by: Virgers! How are we doing with those explosives? (tree_and_leaf)
Posted at: December 19th, 2008 12:41 am (UTC)
Wrong but wromantic

though the meaning of High Church has changed since the time when that picture must have been put up, I think

Ish. You will still come across lots of people who admire Charles K and M; you will also find people like the vicar of SMM, who contend that Charles was chiefly a martyr to his own stupidity. Basically there is an odd split in the Catholic tendency between socialists and Tories, but that probably applies to everything in life...

It was nice to see you there, anyway, and I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Edited at 2008-12-19 12:41 am (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: December 19th, 2008 06:18 am (UTC)
Arthurian Logo

It's been illuminating, possibly, reading about the vicars of a certain Cornish parish this week. The vicar from 1851 to 1894 comes across as an old-fashioned Church and King (or more appropriately for his day, Church and Queen) man, combining from not long after his arrival the old military office of constable of the castle (specially revived for him) with his vicarage. There's definitely a sense of continuity between his father's profession as a royal revenue officer and his own clerical career. During this churchman's time, despite his great antiquarianism, all the working people of the parish defected to the Methodists. His successor was an Anglo-Catholic who won more people back by making worship 'exciting', and it's been an Anglo-Catholic parish ever since; though the Methodists down the road have not done too badly, and nor have the Catholics.

Posted by: Virgers! How are we doing with those explosives? (tree_and_leaf)
Posted at: December 19th, 2008 10:06 am (UTC)
Anglicans not angels

and it's been an Anglo-Catholic parish ever since; though the Methodists down the road have not done too badly, and nor have the Catholics.

Good to see how one man's influence can live on, isn't it?

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: December 19th, 2008 07:41 pm (UTC)
Cromwell

The last old-style vicar's did too, as the last castle guide he appointed was still in position in 1929 when the Ministry of Works took over management of the castle, so there is continuity there...

The author of one book on Tintagel is of a Methodist family there, and writes that his mother used to hold her nose whenever the CofE was mentioned, something I'm happy to say I've not personally come across.

Posted by: meirion (meirion)
Posted at: December 19th, 2008 09:32 am (UTC)

there is an odd split in the Catholic tendency between socialists and Tories

Yes, my own vicar (at SMM's sister church in Cambridge) seems to get rather embarrassed when I start going on about Christian socialism, although not enough not to take my words out of context for use in a sermon!

I think he probably is a Christian socialist, but has a level of English reserve that precludes him from talking about such things. Fr Peter, of course, has no such reserve.

Posted by: Virgers! How are we doing with those explosives? (tree_and_leaf)
Posted at: December 19th, 2008 10:14 am (UTC)
Anglican socialist weirdo

Fr Peter, of course, has no such reserve.

*g* He really doesn't (I remember the appalled face of an American exchange student - a Republican from Biola - when Fr Peter started a sentence with the phrase "Of course, if you're a Marxist like me..." I don't think I've ever seen someone look so shocked before.)

Posted by: meirion (meirion)
Posted at: December 19th, 2008 05:00 pm (UTC)

That must have been priceless :-)

OTOH, his trenchant opinions on one occasion lost him the opportunity of a free computer — a free computer which is now happily ensconced in Fr Andrew's office at LSM (and really if Fr Andrew can cope fine with running Linux I think Fr Peter was being a bit pathetic in claiming he wouldn't be able to, given their respective ages and levels of computer literacy).

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: December 19th, 2008 07:43 pm (UTC)

Good for Fr Peter, I say.

Posted by: richenda (richenda)
Posted at: December 19th, 2008 08:03 am (UTC)

I can't believe that I forgpt to go into Mag's during a recent brief visit to Oxford. Is Hugh Whybrow still there?

Posted by: Virgers! How are we doing with those explosives? (tree_and_leaf)
Posted at: December 19th, 2008 10:11 am (UTC)
anglican

He's been retired for several years (at least five, as it's before my time in Oxford). The new incumbent is Peter Groves, who is very good, but I gather rather different from HW in some ways. Still very high, though.