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The eleventh Doctor in costume

July 20th, 2009 (09:48 am)

This looks almost like the sort of thing I might wear... might it be an incentive for me to finally learn to tie a bow tie? Not at all what was being leaked to the usual suspects in certain forums (there was talk of a hoodie, and a T-shirt which would show the name of a different band each story...)

Of course, five years ago when Christopher Eccleston's costume was revealed, an outraged fandom was incensed at its being contemporary. Now that we have something more Edwardian, or at least mid-twentieth century, a lot of people are incensed again. The rules of Doctor Who have changed once more - Steven Moffat is in charge, and is perhaps less in thrall to onetime ITV boss David Liddiment's comment to Russell T Davies after the 1996 TV movie: "If you ever bring him back, no more fancy dress."

There's only one photo so far, and it's best seen at BBC News.

ETA: SFX have put up a higher definition version.

ETA2: The Doctor Who Appreciation Society's reaction: "Matt looks like a cross between Troughton's Doctor and Indiana Jones in 'professor' mode." So I have changed my icon accordingly.

Comments

Posted by: The Mezzo Mongoose (miss_next)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 09:10 am (UTC)

Oh, very smart!

You don't need to learn to tie a bow tie. I don't think Charles knows how, and he has to wear them a lot. There are bow ties that fasten with clips, or with hooks and eyes. :-)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 09:13 am (UTC)

I'd prefer to have the bow-tying skill, though...

Posted by: The Mezzo Mongoose (miss_next)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 09:28 am (UTC)

I have instructions somewhere on how to tie one. I'll dig them out.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:00 am (UTC)

Posted by: philmophlegm (philmophlegm)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 12:57 pm (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 12:59 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Ross (crazyscot)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:46 am (UTC)

This is a skill I have - badly, granted - but I could probably be persuaded into a coaching session, next time our paths cross...

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:49 am (UTC)

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Posted by: The Mezzo Mongoose (miss_next)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 09:33 am (UTC)

This is the "Charles" to whom I referred, and I'm afraid that, Jeeves or no Jeeves, I don't think I'd like to think of him being let loose with a real bow tie. He is a lovely man and a wonderful singer, but despite his most conscientious attempts to look smart I have never seen him without at least one formatting error in his appearance. If he tried to tie a bow tie, I'm quite sure it would end up looking as though he'd cycled through a hedge in it. Have mercy, therefore, I beg! :-)

Posted by: Virgers! How are we doing with those explosives? (tree_and_leaf)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:09 am (UTC)

The clips look nasty, though...

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:14 am (UTC)

...and I feel self-conscious when wearing them because they don't feel like ties; there's not enough weight to them on the front of the neck.

Posted by: Ross (crazyscot)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:42 am (UTC)

I'm told it's impressive when, late in the evening at a black-tie do, a lady grabs and pulls an end of one's bow-tie, and one is able to re-tie it without fuss.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:51 am (UTC)

So I gather!

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Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 09:19 am (UTC)

Within the context of Buffy, though, Giles's look was definitely coded as 'old-fashioned' and 'repressed' and 'eccentrically English' - once Sunnydale High was no more, the tweed jacket appeared much less often.

I think RTD made that observation in an early newspaper interview, probably as part of the 2005 series launch; it showed how the whole costume approach was part of the reaction against the 1996 TV movie.

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Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 10:38 am (UTC)

Posted by: widsidh (widsidh)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 12:44 pm (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 12:45 pm (UTC)

Posted by: nineveh_uk (nineveh_uk)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 09:20 am (UTC)
Master

There's a definite 1930s-JRF vibe going on!

(I loved Eccleston's costume - Tennant's strikes me as far more self-consciously modern.)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 09:43 am (UTC)
St John's cufflink

There's a definite 1930s-JRF vibe going on!

Someone at the Gallifrey Base forum has described the new outfit as "Bletchley Park chic"!

Posted by: muuranker (muuranker)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 09:53 am (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 09:54 am (UTC)

Posted by: nineveh_uk (nineveh_uk)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 10:46 am (UTC)

Posted by: nineveh_uk (nineveh_uk)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 10:48 am (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:00 am (UTC)

Posted by: http://elevatormusic.space (sebastienne)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:31 am (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:35 am (UTC)
SPOILERY

Posted by: http://elevatormusic.space (sebastienne)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:37 am (UTC)
Re: SPOILERY

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 12:04 pm (UTC)
Re: SPOILERY

Posted by: Virgers! How are we doing with those explosives? (tree_and_leaf)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:20 am (UTC)

Yes, indeed!

He reminds me of Troughton, too.

Posted by: Naraht (emily_shore)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 09:30 am (UTC)

Seems to me that they have to use costume to give him a bit more gravitas, given how young he is. And his companion too!

*is feeling old*

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 09:53 am (UTC)

It's going to be interesting to see how he actually plays the Doctor, and how the costume fits in with the performance. How much 'gravitas' (and that's a very Doctor Who fan term) will emerge from that, I wonder..?

*is feeling old*

I've had to give that up!

Posted by: Tessa (tiggerbrasilf)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 10:15 am (UTC)
KingIanto

*giggles* he looks like a university professor! I suppose we won't really know until it airs next year whether the costume ir right or not. Its wait and see (:

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 10:27 am (UTC)

tree_and_leaf has Tweeted that he looks like "a certain kind of US grad student who comes to Oxford and tries to go native" , noting that this is a defensible reading of the Doctor if Oxford is Earth(Britain) and Gallifrey is the US.

Edited at 2009-07-20 10:38 am (UTC)

Posted by: Naraht (emily_shore)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:04 am (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:17 am (UTC)

Posted by: Naraht (emily_shore)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:05 am (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 11:15 am (UTC)

Posted by: widsidh (widsidh)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 12:36 pm (UTC)
K9

Yes, I can see this working! he looks a lot more like the Doctor already.
I agree of course that his performance will need to fit, but I have a certain amount trust that this will happen...

This looks almost like the sort of thing I might wear...

except for the boots :-) (?)
(good luck with the bow tie - if all else fails you could always try and get a ready-made one and do some reverse engineering to find out)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 12:38 pm (UTC)

I think it depends on the quality of the ready-made ones - most aren't so much tied as stuck together and then fixed to tape or elastic.

I've never got into boots like that, no, that's true...

Posted by: widsidh (widsidh)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 12:40 pm (UTC)

most aren't so much tied as stuck together

ahh... whither quality?!

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 12:41 pm (UTC)

Posted by: widsidh (widsidh)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 12:44 pm (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 12:46 pm (UTC)

Posted by: widsidh (widsidh)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 12:50 pm (UTC)

Posted by: philmophlegm (philmophlegm)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 01:15 pm (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 01:54 pm (UTC)

Posted by: philmophlegm (philmophlegm)
Posted at: July 21st, 2009 08:44 am (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 21st, 2009 08:48 am (UTC)

Posted by: widsidh (widsidh)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 05:08 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Virgers! How are we doing with those explosives? (tree_and_leaf)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 01:29 pm (UTC)
Books

It's just like tying a bow, isn't it, except you have to be fairly neat about it to get it lined up properly? I seemed to manage all right on the one occasion I tried to tie one on myself...

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 01:38 pm (UTC)

Posted by: king_pellinor (king_pellinor)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 02:37 pm (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 02:54 pm (UTC)

Posted by: daniel_saunders (daniel_saunders)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 09:06 pm (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 09:34 pm (UTC)

Posted by: daniel_saunders (daniel_saunders)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 09:10 pm (UTC)

I like it! I still not sure that Smith is old enough for the role, but I am heartened that they aren't going for a straight reprise of Tennant (and I know there has been some discussion above about whether they are still appealing to the female Tennant-fancying demographic, about which I have little to add).

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 20th, 2009 09:40 pm (UTC)
Eccleston

I confess to some doubts about Smith's youth, seeing him today - he looks very young in some of those shots. There have been no clues as to his performance, yet, but these will no doubt emerge over the next few weeks. (I remember listening to a hissy fan recording of the "Don't forget the welfare state!" speech from The Doctor Dances on the internet several months before the Eccleston series started).