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April 29th, 2011 (08:16 am)

The English heralds have struck again, and it's Cambridge. Still, this commemorates the Queen's paternal grandmother's family, and St Andrews people can celebrate their dominion over a slightly older university. Strathearn is there, but as an earldom. Chalfont syndrome, perhaps, as explained in my reply to a comment by [personal profile] pellegrina on an earlier post.

Watching BBC now. First technical failure: Edith Bowman's big moment, and no-one heard her report from St Andrews. Simon Schama as historian talking about "mergers and acquisitions", today as a resolution to the disaster of 1981, and remembering 1947 and sweet rationing.

ETA: www.antipopes.org/charlie/blog-static/2011/04/making-news.html , recommended by gervase_fen.

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Posted by: Pellegrina (pellegrina)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 08:54 am (UTC)
cat scorn

What disaster of 1981? The heir to the throne being dishonest to his bride? I think that started sooner.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 02:06 pm (UTC)

That specific marriage itself...

Posted by: philmophlegm (philmophlegm)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 11:55 am (UTC)
Flag

Having vowed to watch on Sky rather than BBC, despite having to put up with Kay Burley and missing out on Simon Schama, I was forced to switch when the Sky commentator called Prince Albert of Monaco "Prince Rainier".

I figured - "Look, I clearly know more about European royalty than you do, so that renders your commentary somewhat pointless."

To be fair, the BBC coverage has been very good. Huw Edwards was a very good choice.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 02:07 pm (UTC)

He has been good, only stumbling once that I remember; and better than David Dimbleby has been on recent occasions.

Posted by: ooxc (ooxc)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 07:38 pm (UTC)

That's interesting - I confess that I didn't know that Rainier wasn't the family name - I thought that it was as if a Monacan called Prince William "the Windsor prince", which, while unorthodox, wouldn't be inaccurate

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 08:00 pm (UTC)

The family name of the Monegasque princely house is Grimaldi (unrequested information).

Posted by: widsidh (widsidh)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 08:56 pm (UTC)

gratuitous information is always appreciated

Posted by: ooxc (ooxc)
Posted at: April 30th, 2011 08:16 am (UTC)

Thank you - I wasn't watching Sky, and was only watching BBC sporadically, so didn't see or hear the gaffe. On reflection, I think that I would have simply assumed that he was named after his predecessor
It was quite odd who was named and who wasn't - i couldn't work out whether the commentator didn't know, or simply assumed that we knew

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: April 30th, 2011 01:21 pm (UTC)

More people passing the cameras than Huw Edwards could keep up with, I think; and the vision mixer (or whatever the post is called nowadays) was struggling to keep up with the outputs of the cameras, though everything was recorded as I'm sure there were shots of guests in the highlights programme (including Ed Miliband and Justine) who didn't feature in the live broadcast.

Posted by: The Two Trees (arda_unmarred)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 03:46 pm (UTC)
Telperion

here in Scotland it's business as usual for many people - I am writing this from work. I walked through the whole centre of Edinburgh just 90 minutes before the wedding of a half-German with an unemployed woman* began and you wouldn't know anything was on.

*the above suggests I dislike royalty: I do not. They are harmless, unlike most of the ruling elite. I just think it's ironic that had Middleton been an ordinary woman living in a sink estate and struggling to find a job (or, worse, a single mother on benefits) then she'd be called a scrounger by the very people who are the staunchest supporters of royalty. But because she is rich it's ok that she does sod all.

Posted by: ooxc (ooxc)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 04:26 pm (UTC)
dragon

What makes you say that she does sod all? Either you don't live within ten miles of where she lives (as I do) or you are making uninformed assumptions - or both. The main reason that we have been able to preserve their privacy is that we don't discuss what she does
I got annoyed with the BBC commentator who said that it was unrealistic to expect that they could continue to live quietly here. Now, I begin to see - we might have to choose between protecting their privacy and defending them against accusations from people who know nothing about how they live. Also - what would happen if we did discuss what she does - might she then be accused of taking a job that she doesn't need from someone who does need it?

Posted by: The Two Trees (arda_unmarred)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 05:34 pm (UTC)
Telperion

the best solution is for the government and the media to stop attacking people who have fallen on hard times - like the single mothers and the poor

then people like me won't feel the need to question the patchy employment record of many of those at the top. As I've said, I have nothing against her and have no real interest in the details of the Royals' lives (much like I had no interest in the charles-diana saga). It's just amazing how those at the top always get the benefit of the doubt and those at the bottom get the opposite.

in any case, I don't believe there is any reason for someone's employment record should be kept private.

Posted by: ooxc (ooxc)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 07:56 pm (UTC)
dragon

The best solution is for people to recognize that employment records don't mean anything in terms of what people "do"
i didn't say that employment records should be kept private - i said that anyone who lives ten miles away from a certain person is more likely to know whether or not it's true that she does nothing, than those who don't live there
I also said, and reiterate, that, where there is high unemployment, it can be more valuable to work unpaid and without record than to take paid work away from those who need it

Posted by: The Two Trees (arda_unmarred)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 10:18 pm (UTC)
Telperion

so what was she doing (paid or unpaid) that we haven't heard of?

since this is a future head of state I do think we have a right to know, and most people took lack of information there as a tell-tale sign

Posted by: ooxc (ooxc)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 10:36 pm (UTC)

"Most people"? They've been living here for months, and we are delighted that they have lived in the community all this time without any airs, graces or privileges. Who are these "most people"?
it will be interesting to see whether they will have to move, after a week of Europe's TV crews searching the island for their home - but that scarcely counts as "most people" - and I strongly suspect (and hope) that none of these discovered anything, and that life will go on as before

Posted by: The Two Trees (arda_unmarred)
Posted at: April 30th, 2011 12:38 pm (UTC)
Telperion

sorry but you haven't answered my question: you suggested that my criticism of Middledon as 'doing sod all' between 2005 and now was incorrect: so what jobs _was_ she doing?

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: April 30th, 2011 02:57 pm (UTC)

I think there are competing definitions of 'work' here, which will make it difficult for a satisfactory answer to be reached.

Posted by: The Two Trees (arda_unmarred)
Posted at: May 1st, 2011 10:59 am (UTC)
Telperion

fair enough

I guess it's for you historians to deliberate that

Posted by: philmophlegm (philmophlegm)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 06:12 pm (UTC)
Flag

This exiled Welshman is flying both British and Welsh flags from his upstairs windows. Nice to see a ddraig coch* here on LJ.



* Or should that be ddraig goch? I'm not great on mutations...

Edited at 2011-04-29 06:12 pm (UTC)

Posted by: widsidh (widsidh)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 09:16 pm (UTC)
saltire

Draig Goch, or with Welsh definite article, Y Ddraig Goch.
(or more officially, I believe, Baner Cymru "banner of Wales").

Posted by: philmophlegm (philmophlegm)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 09:47 pm (UTC)
Wrexham club shield

Thanks.

(I don't have a "Baner Cymru" userpic, so you'll have to make do with the crest of Wrexham FC!)

Posted by: widsidh (widsidh)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 09:55 pm (UTC)
saltire

seems perfectly appropriate :-)

Posted by: ooxc (ooxc)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 10:39 pm (UTC)

I'm not good at mutations either - but I think that it's goch in that case
Good that you are flying both. I've been astonished how many people here are flying Union flags and no dragons

Posted by: wrong but wromantic (sally_maria)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 11:29 pm (UTC)

Yes, or of using her connections to get the job - even though everything I've seen indicates that she's an able young woman with a degree from a well-respected university, who would otherwise be considered a perfectly valid candidate for the job on her own merits.

Unfortunately, I think it's one of those situations in which they can't win.

(Has a certain amount of understanding because my aunt lives on Princess Anne's doorstep, and I know some of the ways in which she is protected as part of their community.)

Posted by: ooxc (ooxc)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 11:34 pm (UTC)

Sadly, I don't think that the PR has ever had the freedom that CM has on the island- and no-one, as far as I know, has ever suggested that CM should send a servant to buy her wine gums, as someone did about the late lamented -
Most of CM's protection consists simply of people keeping their mouths shut - which perhaps i should now do

Posted by: wrong but wromantic (sally_maria)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 11:42 pm (UTC)

Oh, I'm sure you're right. I'm very glad that she does have that, and I hope it continues for as long as it can.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: April 30th, 2011 12:03 am (UTC)

That whole servant-and-sweets anecdote was typical of the journalistic attitude to the royal family in the 1980s. The Queen had an excellent put-down, as I recall.

Posted by: The Two Trees (arda_unmarred)
Posted at: April 30th, 2011 12:52 pm (UTC)
Telperion

'Yes, or of using her connections to get the job - even though everything I've seen indicates that she's an able young woman with a degree from a well-respected university, who would otherwise be considered a perfectly valid candidate for the job on her own merits.'

she worked for her parents' company for goodness' sake - that's as 'using her connections' as it comes.

the reality is, many people (and I've seen this at Oxford) who are of this type do walk into great jobs arranged for them through parent

Posted by: wrong but wromantic (sally_maria)
Posted at: April 30th, 2011 02:52 pm (UTC)

The fact remains though that by the time she graduated she was "Prince William's girlfriend" and the press would have been giving her a hard time whatever she did. Work, not work, somebody would have been looking for an excuse to bash her when it was a slow news day.

That may not be good enough for you, and that's fair enough, but for me, I can't and don't condemn her for her choices.

Posted by: The Two Trees (arda_unmarred)
Posted at: May 1st, 2011 11:32 am (UTC)
Telperion

I doubt she chose her jobs with the media reaction in mind.

If she did, surely she'd have done something different from what she actually did.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: April 30th, 2011 02:54 pm (UTC)

I don't think any of Kate's jobs have been particularly 'great' and I don't know the circumstances of her recruitment into the fashion chain she worked for when not working for the family business.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 11:59 pm (UTC)
George_III_at_Kew

That particular commentator was the most annoying of the lot, I thought, and seemed to assume that what obtained in the 1980s with Diana would inevitably continue with Kate in the 2010s... It ain't necessarily so, as the song says.

Posted by: The Two Trees (arda_unmarred)
Posted at: April 30th, 2011 01:08 pm (UTC)
Telperion

sometimes I just wish I could block out any story to do with royalty

or with celebrity for that matter

so many terrible things are happening in the UK and around the world and people on national TV are running around wondering whether a relationship between two highly privileged people would last...

Posted by: ooxc (ooxc)
Posted at: April 29th, 2011 04:08 pm (UTC)

So the technical failure wasn't only local - thank you - i thought that it was a security thing on the island!