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Doctor Who XXXII part one - afterthoughts

Why did the Little Girl (who is probably Melody Pond) have the need to regenerate at the end of 'Day of the Moon'? When the Doctor said that he thought that she would find them, while I don't think he knew the girl's identity he guessed she could look after herself. What if the Little Girl is out having adventures? Perhaps she has been mortally wounded heading off the Nestene Consciousness's attempt to establish a bridgehead on Earth in New York, after which they decide that Epping Forest is a more viable alternative, Spearhead from Space following [say]? I like the idea of River learning some of her skills on the move, as a (very) junior Doctor... (but do I trust CBBC to think that?)

The Doctor's ability to talk to babies isn't that surprising - and reminds me of someone else who fell out of the sky, Mary Poppins, whom I seem to remember from reading one of the books could talk to the youngest infants as well as to animals.

Looking up the 'How goes the day?' greeting, it appears in Shakespeare's King John and elsewhere, but is closer in context to an exchange supposedly before the death of John Graham of Claverhouse, first Viscount Dundee, at the battle of Killiecrankie in 1689. 'Bonnie Dundee', the dying but victorious Jacobite commander, asked a soldier 'How goes the day?' to be told 'Well for King James, but I am sorry for your lordship.' The dying Lord Dundee replied (or so says Wikipedia), 'If it goes well for him, it matters the less for me.' The exchange might be appropriate if one substitutes River Song for King James and Melody for Dundee, given that River and Melody are the same person.

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Posted by: Pellegrina (pellegrina)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 06:38 am (UTC)

River/Melody Song/Pond, groans....

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 10:40 am (UTC)

It's at least explained in the episode as a translation problem!

Posted by: elegaer (elegaer)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 02:38 pm (UTC)

It's a very odd translation problem, though, to me it seemed like an explanation thought of after the rest of the storyline, rather than a part of the storyline.

Melody - Song, fine. Pond - River? So different, in concept, about the only thing they share is water.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 03:07 pm (UTC)

Posted by: widsidh (widsidh)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 11:05 pm (UTC)

Posted by: elegaer (elegaer)
Posted at: June 7th, 2011 04:41 am (UTC)

Posted by: elegaer (elegaer)
Posted at: June 7th, 2011 04:43 am (UTC)

Posted by: widsidh (widsidh)
Posted at: June 7th, 2011 08:43 pm (UTC)

Posted by: elegaer (elegaer)
Posted at: June 7th, 2011 09:11 pm (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: June 7th, 2011 11:55 pm (UTC)

Posted by: elegaer (elegaer)
Posted at: June 8th, 2011 07:40 am (UTC)

Posted by: widsidh (widsidh)
Posted at: June 8th, 2011 10:04 pm (UTC)

Posted by: elegaer (elegaer)
Posted at: June 9th, 2011 05:42 pm (UTC)

Posted by: widsidh (widsidh)
Posted at: June 11th, 2011 05:05 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Susan (lil_shepherd)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 07:34 am (UTC)

Yipes! I'd forgotten the regeneration!

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 10:42 am (UTC)
RegenGirl

The Doctor still doesn't know about it!

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Posted by: Matthew (emperor)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 09:09 am (UTC)

This. It feels too convenient.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 10:48 am (UTC)

I'm not sure whether there's story room in the season for her to be anyone else, unless (as is possible, as we saw last year) part of the season mystery is held over until next year.

Posted by: daniel_saunders (daniel_saunders)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 11:33 am (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 11:39 am (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 10:45 am (UTC)
RegenGirl

The incidental music during 'A Good Man Goes to War' seemed to encourage the identification, but I agree that there may be a further twist.

Posted by: sharaz_jek (sharaz_jek)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 01:05 pm (UTC)

Apparently that was the same music playing during future!Doctor's cremation, so it could be a Time Lord biodata leitmotif rather than a Melody Pond leitmotif.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 01:40 pm (UTC)

Posted by: promethia_tenk (promethia_tenk)
Posted at: June 8th, 2011 03:43 pm (UTC)
happy endings

(Here from who_daily)

Before this episode aired, I was arguing that regenerating girl is the Doctor and River's child. I haven't quite decided what I think now in light of the new reveal, but I'm certainly not giving up on it altogether.

At the very least I'll agree that there's gotta be a twist to this somewhere. We're only halfway through the season, after all.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: June 8th, 2011 04:12 pm (UTC)

Posted by: daniel_saunders (daniel_saunders)
Posted at: June 9th, 2011 10:27 pm (UTC)

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: June 9th, 2011 11:14 pm (UTC)

Posted by: daniel_saunders (daniel_saunders)
Posted at: June 9th, 2011 11:23 pm (UTC)

Posted by: nineveh_uk (nineveh_uk)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 08:44 am (UTC)

Re. "How goes the day", my first thought was of "Went the Day Well".


Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 10:48 am (UTC)

It's a long time since I've seen that!

Posted by: daniel_saunders (daniel_saunders)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 11:32 am (UTC)
Me

The little girl may have been injured getting out of the spacesuit.

I missed the "How goes the day?" quote here, but I vaguely remember Morgaine greeting the Brigadier in Battlefield with "A warrior no less; how goes the day?"

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: June 6th, 2011 11:40 am (UTC)
Arthurian Logo

Given it's six months after the events of 'Day of the Moon' when she regenerates, I think her injuries might be more recent.

'How goes the day' seems to be established as the sort of thing soldiers say to one another in epic...