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Good couple of days

June 18th, 2006 (01:04 am)
current music: Fairport Convention: 'Red and Gold'

Just acknowledging here that the last two days have been good. It was restprative to spend a few hours on a punt on Friday; and on Saturday I sat in on the legendary Farscape RPG at malaheed and pellegrina's. Doctor Who was very good too!


Posted by: Penny Paperbrain (pennypaperbrain)
Posted at: June 18th, 2006 12:55 am (UTC)

I thought it was twee. Defend yourself, fluffy!

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: June 18th, 2006 03:44 pm (UTC)

I didn't think it was twee, but very, very moving. I realised how much I identified with LINDA by how distressed I was at each disappearance. It's very possible for obessions to turn from something remarkable into something ugly - and yes, that observation, the basis of this story, may be trite, but Russell T Davies dramatised it very well indeed.

Posted by: viala_qilarre (viala_qilarre)
Posted at: June 19th, 2006 01:19 pm (UTC)

Great to have you at the game and hope to see you back.

I too loved Love & Monsters and frankly, I was shocked by the reactions of a sizeable minority on Outpost Gallifrey. I don't look at any other fan forums but I do haunt this one, and I have to say I'm getting disillusioned with the fandom itself. Irritation at all the whingeing about minor stuff has been overwhelmed this week by the rabid, humourless and insensitive response to what was an excellent, innovative episode. I just don't get people not getting it. And how anyone who has seen Remembrance of the Daleks (to name just one, not particularly outstandingly poor example) could start a thread entitled 'the worst Doctor Who episode ever' - just boggle.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: June 19th, 2006 07:13 pm (UTC)

You do know that 'Remembrance of the Daleks' is very well-regarded among those who hung on for the McCoy period? I can see why you didn't like it - the novelisation is much better than the television version, and includes more polished character development and background than anything that was apparent on television - but after the first McCoy season it seemed like a return to 'seriousness' for earnest upper sixth-formers like the 1988 me.

My reservations about 'Love & Monsters' lie mainly in the first few scenes, including the 'Scooby-Doo' style chase scene (even though in the context of the whole episode it's clear that this is an expression of how confusing and frenetic Elton finds the Doctor's situation, and how alarming it is to be recognised by him) and in the initial presentation of the LINDA members. On the commentary track first assistant director Susie Liggatt, I think, remarks how difficult it is to depict 'people who don't stand out in a crowd' in this context; but it became clear quickly that the episode was on LINDA's side. It was RTD's hymn to fandom, really.

Stick with Outpost Gallifrey - there are sensible people on that thread; it's just a pity that the tone was set early by people posting during the episode how much they hated it.

Posted by: viala_qilarre (viala_qilarre)
Posted at: June 21st, 2006 05:39 pm (UTC)

I'm afraid that my knowledge of Doctor Who and the fandom during the Colin Baker/McCoy era is extremely patchy. I dropped off the scene altogether when Peter Davison left - having been losing interest in the show for quite a while, but 'holding on' as one does - and I've never really gone back and filled in the gaps. I want to now, and I even feel something approaching shame at the fact that I gave up on the show I loved from the time I was old enough to watch it with any understanding, when it hit its darkest hour. All very well to come back now, when it's all shiny again! But anyway, as a returning apostate, I'm trying to educate myself and get a perspective on those 'missing' years.

The trouble is, whenever I watch a McCoy era episode (I've not tried a Colin Baker one yet) I just can't see past - whatever I need to see past. Perhaps what I need to do is watch them all in order, but that's not so easy - they're not all available on DVD. I only pulled out Remembrance because it was the last one I'd happened to see. Personally, I feel that the worst episode I've ever seen is Ghost Light (I've never seen any of the reputed real stinkers, like Time and the Rani), but I'm aware that many fans genuinely admire this story and feel that those who think it's unutterably appalling simply don't get it - so it's not a good one to use as an example of a turkey.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: June 24th, 2006 10:24 am (UTC)

I think that the 'case against' the second two McCoy seasons still needs to be articulated; personally, these two series were such great advances upon the first McCoy season that I can see why the remaining hard core fanbase for the most part (which included me) welcomed them. However, the series was still causing lots of fans to give up on it. I'd be sympathetic to the argument that 1988-1989 was a very inventive period in terms of ideas; but the scripting tended to create big loops which didn't necessarily lead anywhere, friendly characters were few and far between, the Doctor and Ace were too caricatured to be satisfactory as viewer identification models; and script editor Andrew Cartmel's outlook was ultimately too cultish and too inexperienced to really understand how the series should work - see his memoir, Script Doctor, for more evidence.