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More Golden Compass

December 12th, 2007 (11:46 am)
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Some insights at HisDarkMaterials.org into why cinemagoers might think that The Golden Compass has undergone incision.

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Posted by: Марья (dreiviertel)
Posted at: December 12th, 2007 01:51 pm (UTC)

I find myself in an interesting position of disagreeing with everyone who believes that Pullman's atheist message is not clear enough in the film. I thought it was painfully clear, clear enough to prevent me from enjoying the film as a pretty picture (Propaganda is precisely why I dislike the books).

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: December 12th, 2007 02:21 pm (UTC)

I think that what we see is a cruder version of Pullman's message, badly disguised. (I didn't view the books as particularly propagandist until the third one, really; though it's clearer looking back at them.)

Posted by: Virgers! How are we doing with those explosives? (tree_and_leaf)
Posted at: December 12th, 2007 03:26 pm (UTC)

No, I more or less agree with you. Though at some points it was so over-the-top as to become funny (the scene where Christopher Lee and Derek Jacobi are plotting suggested to me that Mr Lee wasn't taking the whole thing entirely seriously....)

Posted by: Марья (dreiviertel)
Posted at: December 12th, 2007 03:28 pm (UTC)

It did look as if he was enjoying himself! Playing yet another arch-villain inside St Paul's evil twin must have amused him.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: December 12th, 2007 03:32 pm (UTC)

How do we know these people are Bad? Well, it's Derek Jacobi being Evil (a more level but more routine performance than his Master); Christopher Lee being Christopher Lee; and [Lord Boreal we presume, with the snake-daemon] is Edward De Souza, Radio 4's last Man in Black, successor to Valentine Dyall. Priceless formula stuff; but out of keeping with the source.

Posted by: Virgers! How are we doing with those explosives? (tree_and_leaf)
Posted at: December 12th, 2007 03:35 pm (UTC)

Yes, they might as well have been wearing badges saying "We are evil masterminds! Ask us how (and then we'll feed you to our pet crocodile)"

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: December 12th, 2007 03:36 pm (UTC)

Pullman presents all the adult characters as people having to make difficult moral decisions, even the characters with whom he disagrees. Sadly this is lost here.

Posted by: Susan (lil_shepherd)
Posted at: December 13th, 2007 10:40 am (UTC)

One of the things I love about Pullman is the ambiguity of his characters. Take Lord Asriel, whose goal is one we must sympathise with, particularly as he has no Evil Overlord ambitions for himself, but whose actions are amoral and sometimes immoral and often cruel and heartless. Or Lyra herself, who is a barbarian and a brat, but a heroine none the less, and lovable with it.

This certainly did not come over in the film...