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Summary execution?

July 22nd, 2005 (12:20 pm)

Apparently someone has been killed by police on the Northern Line this morning by having five bullets emptied into them while they were pinioned on the ground. So much for interrogation, prosecution and trial.


Posted by: Penny Paperbrain (pennypaperbrain)
Posted at: July 22nd, 2005 11:44 am (UTC)

The coverage I've seen implies he was running. If he actually had a bomb and they were preventing him from setting it off, I'm with the police on shooting him. But that remains to be seen. Where did it say he was pinioned?

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 22nd, 2005 11:45 am (UTC)

From the BBC News coverage: eyewitness Mark Whitby writes:

"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him."

Posted by: Penny Paperbrain (pennypaperbrain)
Posted at: July 22nd, 2005 11:49 am (UTC)

I'm turning into a parrot_knight now - I've got BBC News 24 burbling away to one side of my desktop, when I'm supposed to be studying Excel.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 22nd, 2005 11:55 am (UTC)

This scenario might explain police action a bit more: "Then the man burst in through the door to my right and grabbed hold of the pole and a person by the glass partition near the door, diagonally opposite me."

Posted by: Penny Paperbrain (pennypaperbrain)
Posted at: July 22nd, 2005 12:00 pm (UTC)

Ah - yes, that certainly makes shooting him seem morally defensible, even though there will surely be an investigation. Sounds like he really was one of yesterday's bombers on the run, rather than a whole new Friday bomber.

Posted by: Clachan McKenzie (clachan)
Posted at: July 22nd, 2005 12:04 pm (UTC)

Yeah, I was reading about that - my first thoughts were: "Let's hope they *haven't* got an innocent man by mistake - bit late to say "whoops, wrong guy!" when he's dead."

I *assume* that there must have been some serious and urgent justification for the shooting, because they can't interrogate a dead suspect in order to gain further information that might help them prevent future attacks by other terrorists.

And finally, sorry, unless there was absolutely no other option, shooting and killing a suspect is absolutely *not* on. I mean, they caught the guy, they pinned him down - why on earth did they need to shoot him, too?

I really hope this was *the only way* of preventing him setting off a bomb - otherwise, I'm horrified at the police's actions.

Posted by: Adilo Creamon (the_marquis)
Posted at: July 22nd, 2005 12:46 pm (UTC)

I don't think you're taking into account the fact that using lethal force may have been the only option to stop him detonating a bomb, thus killing the three officers and however many people were in the train carriage.

The stuff I read on the BBC news site stated that he was wearing a large winter coat, so I'd say he was trying to hide something. Although the 'eyewitness' stuff on the BBC is sub judice.

Oh and the way things seem to work is that armed officers get hung out to dry by their bosses and the media, even though they are having to make split second decisions in highly stressful situations.

Posted by: parrot_knight (parrot_knight)
Posted at: July 22nd, 2005 12:53 pm (UTC)

I hadn't noticed the large winter coat. As I wrote on my comment, the second eyewitness described a situation which made more sense; and I've since seen that the dead man was wearing a bomb belt with wires exposed.

Posted by: Adilo Creamon (the_marquis)
Posted at: July 22nd, 2005 05:34 pm (UTC)

Sadly though it does mean that the terrorists have won a small victory in that now the police here can shoot people (the BBC just reported on a change to the terms of engagement).

Mind you they still have to meet certain criteria and ironically surely it just makes them more like the police those certain countries that have bred this new terrorist war, sadly a heavy irony.

I wonder how long before "Jihadi" becomes a neologism for Bib Laden et al and the fools who follow their perversion of Islam.